Will fate have the upper hand in the end? Or can love move the heavens?
In “Wind, Cloud and Rain (King , Maker: Change of Destiny) 바람과 구름과 비”, according to the prophecy of Sansui Master, Choi Cheonjung will die young and at the hands of his beloved Lee Bongryeon.
What an omen!
For us ladies, we hope this won’t happen. Even Park Sihoo-ssi’s Choi Cheonjung thought he has overcome this fate because he is still alive and he and wife Lee Bongryeon are happily married and even have a son.
But, is Sansui Master correct in his prediction?
Seems to me this omen is creeping in and fast! It will be husband versus wife shortly.
TV Chosun Drama Youtube Video – Episode 19 “Wind, Cloud and Rain”: Choi Cheonjung’s counterattack will succeed!, 19 July 2020
https://youtu.be/Lvwov4cnP2M
Husband with Lee Haeung, the Heungseon Daewongun who controls the King. Filial piety was what he had instilled and demanded of his son, making him live in fear and lacking in confidence and assertiveness. And the drive for Choi Cheonjung to again ally with a proven enemy? For the future of Joseon and its people!
Then wife Lee Bongryeon has been mesmerized by this pair of eyes when she first saw them on young and poor Min Jayoung. The same pair of eyes she saw in Queen Myeongseong, formerly Min Jayoung. Eyes with the spirit of a King, which is sadly missing in King Gojong, her husband. And the Queen is set to battle her father-in-law, Lee Haeung! Lee Bongryeon will be guided by her vision and support this “King” Queen.
So stand husband and wife on opposing sides. This doesn’t augur well for the eternal couple!
Husband and wife taking opposing sides
Will Sansui Master’s prophecy be fulfilled? Will Choi Cheonjung finally die in the hands of his beloved Lee Bongryeon? It looks like it is heading in that direction!
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WCR 风，云和雨：丈夫对妻子
在“风，云和雨 (风，云和碑）바람과 구름과 비“中，根据山水大师的预言，崔天中会早死，而且将会死在他心爱的李凤莲的手中。
真是个不详的预兆！
对姐妹们，大家都希望这不会发生。 而且施厚君饰演的崔天中认为自己已经克服了这个命运，因为他还活着，而且他和妻子李凤莲过着幸福的婚姻生活，甚至有了儿子。
但是，山水大师的预测正确吗？
Is Sansui Master’s prophecy coming true?
在我看来，这个预兆正在迅速蔓延！ 不久后将会是夫妻对立。
丈夫与控制国王的兴宣大院君李昰应站在同一边。 孝顺是李昰应向儿子灌输和要求的，使到儿子生活在恐惧之中，缺乏自信。 崔天中是否会再次与一个已被证实的敌人结盟呢？ 有可能，因为他主要是为了朝鲜及其百姓的未来着想！
然后是妻子李凤莲，当她第一次看到年轻而贫穷的闵兹英时，就被她那双眼睛给吸引住了。 她在明城皇后（原来的闵兹英）中，又看到了那双眼睛。 眼神为王！ 可悲的是她的丈夫高宗王没有王的眼神。 王后准备与她的公公李昰应战斗！ 李凤莲将以她的愿景为指导，支持这位王之王后。
Will fate catch up with this pair of husband and wife?
因此，夫妻站在对立的两侧。 对这对永恒的夫妻来说，不是好兆头！
山水大师的预言会成为现实吗？ 看起来它正在朝这个方向前进！
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이 작품을보고 싶으니까 jcom와 넷플릭스 넣었는데 불행히도 찾을 수없는😂
Web Translation:
I want to see this work, so I put jcom and Netflix and unfortunately I can’t find it😂
It is not available on Netflix but on Viki Rakuten. How I wish Netflix has picked this drama to be in its content. The person who made the decision sure missed out on one of the best historical dramas which we have not seen in a long time!
I can’t agree with you this time, Nance. I don’t believe that Ponlion will kill her husband master Choi because of political opposition. On the contrary, I believe that the ominous prophecy about their fate will be broken by the couple’s efforts together in the coming new times with the more suffering of the country. If the ending just as that ominous prophecy told, the drama’s value will be collapsed completely.
Alicen, Thanks for your comment and as always, I appreciate your view. I actually didn’t say that Bongryeon would kill Cheonjung, but was asking the question if the prophecy will come true and saying that the husband and wife being on the opposite sides appear that it is going down the path. It was an article that is meant to provoke the reactions of readers. And I am glad it did. If you go to the Facebook page of ParkSihooSsi.com, you will see many more comments. I hope more will come so that we can keep interests alive for the drama right to the very end. Hope you can also be part of the conversation on Facebook too 🙂
I remember that CCJ also saw in the poor young woman from the pharmacy her future greatness, as well as LBR. As for the young king, he is still a teenager. He is an obedient son because the education he received from his father was severe, and he is inexperienced in political life. But we cannot question his intelligence and good schooling. I also noticed his gentle, conciliatory and generous nature. Qualities that led him in time to the status of emperor of Korea.
His Queen and him are only one year apart 1851 and 1852, yet she is much more mature than him. She is bold, he is weak. She is equally a tiger while he is a cat!
Daniela Maria Miricescu it seems the historical King Gojong was also not effective king. Queen Min did all the effective ruling while he was more interested in the ladies around him
Dorothy Ooi In all history, no minor who has become king has made his own policy, but that of the regent or a party that supported him. That is why CCJ tried to create such an alliance around the young king. But the young king’s obedience to his father was stronger. King Gojonj, dominated by two strong characters – his father and his own wife, ruled in a difficult time for Joseon, who faced turmoil not only inside the country but also with great threats from outside. Joseon was caught between two great powers, China and Japan, and threatened by intrusions from Russia and other Western states. CCJ was an artisan of Joseon politics rather than a humble fortune teller. By choosing Gojong as king, he certainly knew that he risked power falling into the hands of the versatile tiger.
It’s nice how you defend the young king, Daniela, but in my opinion he is lacking character. No matter how much his father has taught him, he lacks the character to stand up against LHE when he disagrees with him as we saw last episode. King Go Jong is just as weak as LBR’s father. As a King you stand above everyone, because you are fully responsible. This young king will never be able to take full responsibility for whatever decision, because he is always looking for excuses why he didn’t do something. “I was unexperienced”. You don’t ever learn something, if you don’t have the courage to fall flat on your nose and take the lesson from it
Wilma van Zwietering If he is “young and unexperinced “, as he says about himself, and cannot stand his father’s pressures, cannot take full responsability for his decisions for the sake of his people, and doesn’t learn the main task for a king to do, then I wonder how CCJ could see in him as the best king for his people.
Stefania Lupu that too has been troubling me for a while — why the Kingmaker see this sad timid young man as the answer to Joseon’s change of destiny for the better?
Stefania Lupu That’s an answer CCJ only can give to you Stefania…..But later he added that this king needed a strong woman next to him. His Queen is much stronger than him and not afraid to speak her mind if she needs to
Wilma van Zwietering yes so it appears his greatness is through her greatness which LBR foresaw. So everything is inter twined
The real King is not Gojong but Queen Myeonseong…She has the King spirit which both CCJ and LBR saw in her. She is the King Queen.
Wilma van Zwietering I suppose why CCJ saw this mousey gutless young king as the future king when CCJ did his fortune telling, my take is CCJ saw the aura of the fate coming out of the young boy, not that CCJ “saw” that this kid is gonna be a Great King. This is where the argument of fated vs you make your own fate. Some things are fated, some things are created by will. I supposed CCJ also has made mistakes in that he already knew tiger’s personality and fate are of such huge imbalance of virtues vs the power that will come into tiger’s path, etc etc things that tiger isn’t someone of a good character, but still CCJ joined hands with him to get rid of the Kims and installed the Lees into power. That demonstrates to me, in life, there is only so much one could do, half the times one’s actions also just followed the tide, the flow of things and people present in the journey of life.
Chai Hua Loke yes I do feel so so sorry for this sad young boy.
Dorothy Ooi when I saw that scene of the young son’s answer to his father, I sort of guess the young king is going to be just a wet blanket, not much use
Chai Hua Loke You are right. “God gives you, but don’t put it in your bag” is an old Romanian proverb that suggests that anything obtained by someone in life must come with an effort.
Stefania Lupu this question also crossed my mind, but the CCJ recognized the king in this child not anywhere and not anyway. But even at the residence of the most feared family in Joseon, risking his live and thus giving a first sign for what will follow for this all-powerful clan. A clever CCJ strategy for Joseon’s future.
Wilma van Zwietering The toxic LHE has planted in this supposedly a gentle, kind, considerate young king, is that the father has ensured that between filial piety to father vs loyalty to people or a cause, the son’s choice is filial to him the father, than loyalty to a cause or people. That scene was deep in my memory, just before the young king stepped out of his house to become the king.
Chai Hua Loke they really chose the right boy actor … his sad timid countenance suits the role of King Gojong to a tee
Chai Hua Loke That’s true. LHE made sure his son would have filial piety as first priority under all circumstances. From this point, the king’s behavior is not surprising
Daniela Maria Miricescu in-depth analysis! Thanks Daniela. I think the last emperor of China Puyi was caught in this kind of tangle as well … a pawn in the midst of scheming seniors and power greedy external foreign forces
Recently I reconnected with my 6th former schoolmate, he is fully into giving lectures of Taoism, maybe Confucian too, I will go quiz him with the exact question LHE asked his son : 孝 vs 忠, which would you pick. At that point I didn’t suspect tiger will go down the wicked path (coz I didn’t pay any attention of the drama, just watched every episode as they came, no looking ahead into what’s next and who is who) and when he asked the son that question, I was actually asking myself what should be the more humanity answer, then the son said he chose filial as he deemed once filial is fulfilled, he indirectly also fulfill the loyalty virtue. At that point I too haven’t reached a clear answer myself because most of these Chinese philosophy usually have very deep or double or hidden meaning.
Chai Hua Loke it will be very interesting to get more insights into this philosophy prevalent in Chinese ancient society for which Joseon was influenced too. Lee Haeung appeared very relieved in that where his son the king chose filial piety … was it because he personally was against Confucianism ideology?
Daniela Maria Miricescu I have a painting hanging on the wall. It’s of a little girl playing a flute ( a favourite image ) with this saying “God gives the melody, You play it”
We hope the prophecy will not fulfill, CCJ is still alive. But is still young, so he is still in danger. The apparition in CCJ life again of the monk of nature is a sign, he come to save CCJ, just like in the year of his father’s death. What is destined to happen will happen, no matter how many precautions are taken.
I suddenly remembered the story of the Sleeping Beauty. The princess had been foretold that she would die stung by a spindle for wool. Her father the king ordered all these objects to be gathered from the whole kingdom. But fatality, there was only one left and the princess found that one, and thus the prophecy was fulfilled.
So, my dears, we need to get our handkerchiefs ready.
I still not understand so well the prophecy: CCJ will be kill by LBR, or he will die in her hands? Kill is clair what it mean, but die “in” (not “by”) her hands it mean he is hurt in the battle and die with his wife beside him.
“It is not in the stars to hold our destiny, but in ourselves.”[W.Shakespeare]. And I believe that Choi Cheonjung will will hold his destiny in his hands, even if the prophecy of the monk is so lugubrious.
Daniela Maria Miricescu Just got confirmation on the Korean….CCJ will die by LBR’s hands. And I was reminded that it was not just Sansui Master who prophecised this but also LBR’s mother. That if CCJ and LBR falls in love, he will be killed by her.😭
Just in case I misinterpreted this Korean fan’s comment, she said: 봉련이 엄마의 예언도 똑같았습니다. 천중과 봉련이 사랑을 하면 봉련이가 천중이를 죽게한다고 했습니다…Gooogle says: Bongnyeon’s mother’s prophecy was the same. If Cheonjung and Bongnyeon fall in love, Bongnyeon will kill Cheongjung
Park Sihoo-ssi 박시후-씨 朴施厚君 My take is both “fated and you make your own fate” are interwine : It is your fate that leads you to have those thoughts or views and ability/inability to see things, then it is your own will to decide whether you follow the fated path or changed it.” WCR ending can really go both ways, 1) CCJ die by LBR’s (whether being used by tiger or via some mistakes by her) or 2) the happy ending we viewers all wanted. As we said, likely that 2 versions of ending had already been filmed, just decided which card to pull out by those who have the authority to decide how a fictional drama would end.
Daniela Maria Miricescu I was thinking that too…because in the preview he said he will treat her and her child well and her reply was that she was no longer of use to him. He replied that she would be of use….so maybe he will make her and her son hostages again.
In any case, we must not suffer too much and accept CCJ’s choice, since he took this risk knowingly, and also out of too much love for LBR.
Daniela Maria Miricescu I may be wrong but it says he will die by her hands ie: be killed by her. So far, the translations in English and Chinese says the same. Can’t say for Korean…hahaha!
Park Sihoo-ssi 박시후-씨 朴施厚君 that wile and ferocious tiger will drug her again maybe.
My mom told me once: I don’t tell everyone what I foresee or sense, because people tend to gonna live to it. Whatever prophesy, it is just a snapshot of what possibly may happen. Every human being has a free will and CCJ has a very strong one as well as LBR. CCJ said that he would create his own life path despite the prophesy he was destined to die young. LBR wouldn’t stop to love CCJ despite what her mom had been telling her. So to me it is not a given that the prophesy will be fulfilled!
Wilma van Zwietering That constant debate of whether you are fated or you make your own fate. In this context, CCJ and LBR despite their ability to see the future, maybe of that of their own future, decided that they will change it. I sure hope their fighting spirit will make the difference and they have a chance for a future together
Park Sihoo-ssi 박시후-씨 朴施厚君 oh dear! Like accidental shot with the musket he gave her? That will be most cruel twisted fate ……
There is a reason, why I could believe CCJ and LBR would become each other’s enemy despite being husband and wife. CCJ did everything in his power to change Joseon’s fate again, but the last hurdle, the young king, made that impossible through his behavior. He gave his father, the Grand Prince, all the power in his hands instead of taking it from him. So it needs a quick and smart thinking on how to be able to reach the same goal through a different path. The Grand Prince offered CCJ that path to join hands again for Joseon and its people. We still have to wait for CCJ’s answer, but denying could bring him and his followers in danger again. So he has to be very, very smart. However, LBR had been robbed of her free will and her child because the Grand Prince had drugged her. Now LHE seems to get a hold on her again, while the Queen asked for her help to destroy LHE’s power. So how could the seemingly opposites between husband and wife, while they want the same for Joseon and its people, but through a different path, be reunited without destroying each other? It will be really interesting to watch how this drama will come to an end!
Absolutely spot on Wilma van Zwietering
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감사합니다
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Thank you
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Dorothy Ooi Unfortunately that friend has not responded to my question, he seems not want to be into chit chat….so nothing to share the difference between filial piety and loyalty of that LHE’s question